You are saying right.

I eat lots of foods that have natural vitamin C and I also look for supplements that are derived from foods, not chemistry labs. I’ve found that when I consume a lot of natural C in my diet, I do not get colds or flu and in general my immune system works great (wounds heal quickly, etc.).

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User1, thanks for your reply and opinions. Maybe you will share with this group the sophisticated test results that you made mention of. It seems that you would not mind
doing that since you brought it up. I would be really interested to view them.

quote: “All I can say is that the simple ultrasonic treatment of lecithin and vitamin C does not make liposomes. I have reviewed the sophisticated testing of two different such preparations. Both of them: zero liposomes.”

I was of a similar opinion that homemade only created an emulsion. Just found out Livon Labs purchased a patent on making low-tech homemade Lipo-C. Why on earth would they waste any money on such a patent, if they already have proven without a doubt that homemade isn’t true liposomal?

and find the bought patent there:

quote: “5. Apr. 2013
AS Assignment
Owner name: LIVON LABORATORIES, NEVADA
Effective date: 20110113
Free format text: ASSIGNMENT OF ASSIGNORS INTEREST; ASSIGNOR:ZHANG, YUANPENG; REEL/FRAME:030160/0520”

“Is “homemade” liposome-encapsulated vitamin C good?

If the reader thinks I will say anything to help LivOn and hurt the competition, then there is not much point in reading further. If someone wants to be cynical about my intentions, that’s their right, however misguided they might be.

All I can say is that the simple ultrasonic treatment of lecithin and vitamin C does not make liposomes. I have reviewed the sophisticated testing of two different such preparations. Both of them: zero liposomes.

However, the ultrasonic treatment does results in a legitimate emulsion, which is absorbed much better than just regular vitamin C. However, that is just absorption into the blood, not enhanced uptake inside the cells, as with liposomes.

So, such a preparation can certainly help the sick patient, and probably more effectively than just regular vitamin C can help.

It is important to realize, however, that the critically ill patient who continues to worsen while taking a homemade preparation has not yet had the benefit of liposome enhanced vitamin C uptake into cells, only the self-imposed illusion/delusion of that benefit. The enhanced intracellular uptake of the vitamin C, a critical unique aspect of a good liposome supplement, never occurs with the homemade preparation.

Some other companies make real liposome preparations, some do not. I am only in a position to say that LivOn does. The clinical effects that I have witnessed over years now continue to amaze me. But, buyer beware.

Of note, a liposome preparation also does not come in a dry capsule, however, convenient this may be to take versus a thick, oily preparation.”

Your additional information regarding the green tea extract doesn’t prove Joe’s statement to be wrong, it provides information about what precautionary measure to take. Thank you for that, I hadn’t read that about the green tea extract. Do you suppose the EGCG and quercetin deal with copper or iron radicals? If you find an expansion, I would appreciate it.

Sorry but that’s not correct, contradicting Dr Matthias Rath and Linus Paulin’s groundbreaking research on the treatment and reversal of atherosclerosis using high dose Vitamin C, Lysine and Proline (Pauling Protocol). This treatment has been conclusively shown to work in the treatment of heart disease but also in cancer treatment when green tea extract is added.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/About_Dr_Matthias_Rath/other_literature.htm

http://www.paulingtherapy.com/

Someone on this thread commented about having trouble finding non GMO vitamin C. I have a container of non GMO
vitamin C powder that I purchased from Carlsons.

Hi Joe, have you tried PureWay-C before? Apparently they are non-GMO too.

1) “High intake of Vitamin C exerts a pro-oxidant effect by its interaction with metal ions via a number of established RONS generating systems. Caution should be exerted regarding surplus vitamin C intake for patients with chronic inflammatory diseases or atherosclerosis.”

> Dr. Thomas Levy seems to have missed that point in his book that SPECICALLY addresses heart disease/atherosclerosis. He recommends high doses of C as the MOST IMPORTANT item of his protocol against coronary atherosclerosis. I followed his protocol and it CURED me!

> Dr Levy elsewhere points out that Vit C is always an antioxidant – but when used in high doses against cancer it may be involved in a complex reaction resulting in a pro-oxidant effect in the process of killing cancer cells. (This from my memory – check it out.)

2) “Supplemental intakes greater than 500 mg per day may cause kidney stones in those that are prone to them.”

> There are at least 5 types of kidney stones. There is a rare type in which high doses of C might be a factor, but the chance is very slim. Of the several types of kidney stone, there are at least 2 types which vit C helps to dissolve/eliminate.

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> The author, Jon, shows exactly what C supplement he takes himself – unfortunately it contains 145 mg of calcium for every 4,000 mgs of C – too much calcium. As Dr Levy points out in his book, Death by Calcium, no one should take any calcium as a supplement unless blood tests indicate the need!!!!

Dr. Thomas Levy spent years learning about C and has written more than one book specifically about Vitamin C. Jon needs to read some of Dr. Levy.

In reply to Optimumpremonition2’s comment and the study that he/she linked, it’s difficult to say if lowering of ceruloplasmin was a bad or good thing because the study doesn’t show before and after levels, only mentions that it drops. It’s possible that ceruloplasmin levels dropped due to a correction of some sort of inflammation.

Here is a list of conditions that would cause raised ceruloplasmin. If Vitamin C actually corrected even in part the condition, it would make sense that ceruloplasmin would lower.

Greater-than-normal ceruloplasmin levels may indicate or be noticed in:

copper toxicity / zinc deficiency
pregnancy
oral contraceptive pill use[12]
lymphoma
acute and chronic inflammation (it is an acute-phase reactant)
rheumatoid arthritis
Angina[13]
Alzheimer’s disease[14]
Schizophrenia[15]
Obsessive-compulsive disorder[16

You can look for Quali-C vitamin C. They are made from non-GMO corn in Scotland.

Interesting talk about ‘Safe Detox Methods’ by Dr. Russell Jaffe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fnfa48mjL8 – After minute 4-5 how ascorbic acid allegedly binds in the following order: 1) Lead , 2) Mercury, 3) Arsenic, 4) Cadmium, 5) Nickel, 6) Beryllium, 7) Calcium, 8) Copper, 9) Magnesium and 10) Zinc. About 10 mcg of toxic metals chelated with the first gram of ascobic acid taken a day.

It’s my experience from 7 years ingesting about 22 g/d of ascorbic acid and regular HTMAs (hair tissue mineral analysis) that Lead, Arsenic and Beryllium stayed approx. the same, Cadmium and Nickel halved, Mercury reduced to a quarter (all within normal ranges). Calcium normalized from too low, Copper and Zinc in my case is very responsive to supplementation (ie. 2 mg supplemented Cu gives too high levels, below 1mg normalizes; need 50 mg/d Zn to stay normal). Only Mg-deficiency has been seriously aggravated by high dose ascorbic acid in my case, necessitating mega-dosing of Mg to avoid pain-full muscle cramps. Despite searching on the Internet, didn’t found even one other high-dosing vitamin C individual with this deleterious side-effect. Therefore seems very individual, common sense to check your levels with anything mega-dosing long-term, and do balance with what’s needed.